1 00:00:37,559 --> 00:00:42,850 company 2 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:45,529 all right people by now we know all too 3 00:00:49,430 --> 00:00:47,280 well that hidden behind the facade of 4 00:00:50,930 --> 00:00:49,440 democracy are the dynastic families that 5 00:00:53,090 --> 00:00:50,940 make up the bricks and mortar of the 6 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:53,100 power pyramid groomed from a young age 7 00:00:56,689 --> 00:00:55,199 pre-approved for the finest schools and 8 00:00:58,970 --> 00:00:56,699 inducted into their Elusive and 9 00:01:01,069 --> 00:00:58,980 exclusive secret societies we see the 10 00:01:03,049 --> 00:01:01,079 same names and faces fast-track to 11 00:01:04,729 --> 00:01:03,059 wealth power and control while the rest 12 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:04,739 of us are force-fed the American dream 13 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:07,200 like an overstuffed Christmas goose and 14 00:01:11,210 --> 00:01:09,420 among your Rockefellers Morgan's duponts 15 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:11,220 and Windsors you have the bushes one of 16 00:01:14,929 --> 00:01:12,960 the more public-facing families when it 17 00:01:16,850 --> 00:01:14,939 comes to America's Puppet Masters but 18 00:01:18,649 --> 00:01:16,860 with deep roots in the oil industry the 19 00:01:20,690 --> 00:01:18,659 skull and bone society and the CIA 20 00:01:22,490 --> 00:01:20,700 should it be any wonder that both a 21 00:01:23,929 --> 00:01:22,500 father and son and nearly brother have 22 00:01:26,210 --> 00:01:23,939 wedged their way into the highest Office 23 00:01:27,410 --> 00:01:26,220 of the land like it wasn't no thing well 24 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:27,420 today we're going to hold the bushes 25 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:29,640 under the microscope with Russ Baker who 26 00:01:33,230 --> 00:01:31,259 is the well-accomplished founder and 27 00:01:35,510 --> 00:01:33,240 editor of the great news site who what 28 00:01:37,550 --> 00:01:35,520 why dot org and author of the biggest 29 00:01:39,649 --> 00:01:37,560 and best book I've seen on the bush is 30 00:01:42,469 --> 00:01:39,659 weighing in at a little over 500 pages 31 00:01:44,389 --> 00:01:42,479 family of Secrets the bush Dynasty Amer 32 00:01:46,609 --> 00:01:44,399 America's invisible government and the 33 00:01:48,170 --> 00:01:46,619 hidden history of the last 50 years it's 34 00:01:49,550 --> 00:01:48,180 an honor and a pleasure to welcome in a 35 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:49,560 journalist who's digging deeper than 36 00:01:53,630 --> 00:01:51,720 most these days russma Mann welcome to 37 00:01:56,030 --> 00:01:53,640 the higher side thank you very much 38 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:56,040 great to be here thanks for doing it I 39 00:02:00,109 --> 00:01:57,540 know your book's been out for a few 40 00:02:01,609 --> 00:02:00,119 years now but it's no less important and 41 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:01,619 when trying to identify some of the 42 00:02:05,569 --> 00:02:03,000 hidden hands that are working the 43 00:02:07,130 --> 00:02:05,579 American machine start us off by talking 44 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:07,140 a little bit about the journey because 45 00:02:11,089 --> 00:02:09,119 this is a pretty massive undertaking 46 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:11,099 what drove you to focus on the bushes 47 00:02:16,210 --> 00:02:12,660 and to dig so much deeper than most 48 00:02:20,330 --> 00:02:16,220 others have well it goes back to 49 00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:20,340 2003 as the Iraq War was about to get 50 00:02:27,229 --> 00:02:24,319 underway and I could see that the Bush 51 00:02:28,490 --> 00:02:27,239 Administration wanted to go to war and 52 00:02:30,530 --> 00:02:28,500 it was clear to me that they were 53 00:02:32,710 --> 00:02:30,540 creating a justification I couldn't 54 00:02:36,470 --> 00:02:32,720 understand why the Press couldn't see it 55 00:02:38,330 --> 00:02:36,480 2004 I was covering Bush's re-election 56 00:02:41,750 --> 00:02:38,340 sort of astonished at the fact that 57 00:02:44,390 --> 00:02:41,760 despite he is having clearly lied about 58 00:02:45,949 --> 00:02:44,400 the basis for the war that there he was 59 00:02:49,610 --> 00:02:45,959 running for reelection and doing pretty 60 00:02:52,190 --> 00:02:49,620 well and I saw how he was able to 61 00:02:54,710 --> 00:02:52,200 suppress various potential scandals 62 00:02:57,530 --> 00:02:54,720 about himself and also to put on the 63 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:57,540 defensive John Kerry a man who otherwise 64 00:03:02,089 --> 00:02:59,760 should have dominated that election 65 00:03:05,030 --> 00:03:02,099 especially since uh it was coming out 66 00:03:07,790 --> 00:03:05,040 that Bush's Vietnam War record was very 67 00:03:09,949 --> 00:03:07,800 questionable and Kerry was known to have 68 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:09,959 been on a swift boat in a very dangerous 69 00:03:15,290 --> 00:03:12,720 service and so I was surprised at how 70 00:03:17,570 --> 00:03:15,300 well the bushes did to sort of bottle up 71 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:17,580 their problems and put a carry on the 72 00:03:21,890 --> 00:03:19,560 defensive and I did some reporting on 73 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:21,900 that in 2004. that got me more and more 74 00:03:25,729 --> 00:03:23,760 interested in the bush Family itself and 75 00:03:28,490 --> 00:03:25,739 I began saying how are they able to 76 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:28,500 bottle all these things up that then got 77 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:30,480 me trying to ask questions about them 78 00:03:35,089 --> 00:03:32,940 and their own trajectory to power the 79 00:03:37,670 --> 00:03:35,099 larger constellation of people who 80 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:37,680 supported them abetted them were behind 81 00:03:41,509 --> 00:03:39,599 them and that just got me asking 82 00:03:43,970 --> 00:03:41,519 questions it led me to look not just a 83 00:03:45,890 --> 00:03:43,980 George W bush but at his father George 84 00:03:48,130 --> 00:03:45,900 H.W bush and then at the grandfather 85 00:03:50,869 --> 00:03:48,140 trying to understand the whole family's 86 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:50,879 remarkable relationship to American 87 00:03:56,690 --> 00:03:53,519 history and that really was an 88 00:04:00,110 --> 00:03:56,700 open-ended inquiry led to the five years 89 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:00,120 that I spent on family of Secrets hmm 90 00:04:05,089 --> 00:04:03,060 and so obviously we know the bushes are 91 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:05,099 a multi-generational dynasty how far 92 00:04:10,490 --> 00:04:07,980 back were you able to take this family I 93 00:04:14,990 --> 00:04:10,500 went back quite a few Generations the 94 00:04:18,650 --> 00:04:15,000 first indications I saw of a fledgling 95 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:18,660 Power Center go go all the way back to 96 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:22,860 the sort of mid 1800s and I 97 00:04:25,909 --> 00:04:24,540 I can't remember how much of this ended 98 00:04:28,129 --> 00:04:25,919 up in the book or on The Cutting Room 99 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:28,139 floor because I just had so much good 100 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:33,360 stuff but basically I saw a ancestor who 101 00:04:38,689 --> 00:04:35,759 had relocated to Rochester New York 102 00:04:40,370 --> 00:04:38,699 where he became a town clerk and 103 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:40,380 befriended somebody who was involved 104 00:04:45,409 --> 00:04:43,440 with the founding of skull and bones and 105 00:04:48,469 --> 00:04:45,419 that was very very important to me and 106 00:04:50,689 --> 00:04:48,479 then the the son of that man say he was 107 00:04:52,189 --> 00:04:50,699 the son or the grandson was a was a 108 00:04:55,010 --> 00:04:52,199 minister to some of the wealthiest 109 00:04:57,170 --> 00:04:55,020 congregations in America he really got 110 00:04:58,909 --> 00:04:57,180 to know all the right people and there 111 00:05:01,610 --> 00:04:58,919 were indications that he himself may 112 00:05:04,249 --> 00:05:01,620 have been involved in the Navy with 113 00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:04,259 early intelligence work so he already 114 00:05:10,189 --> 00:05:06,720 showed a guy by the name of James Bush 115 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:10,199 Reverend James Bush and then we go to to 116 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:13,620 his son so we get pretty quickly to the 117 00:05:20,450 --> 00:05:16,400 the bush who then moves to Columbus Ohio 118 00:05:22,610 --> 00:05:20,460 where he gets into the manufacturing of 119 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:22,620 parts for the railroad industry and gets 120 00:05:28,129 --> 00:05:26,220 hooked up to not one but two branches of 121 00:05:30,409 --> 00:05:28,139 the that's a Samuel Bush of the of the 122 00:05:33,290 --> 00:05:30,419 Rockefeller family that's where we start 123 00:05:36,290 --> 00:05:33,300 seeing that level of connection very 124 00:05:38,689 --> 00:05:36,300 visible and then and that man himself 125 00:05:41,689 --> 00:05:38,699 gets sent to Washington to become the 126 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:41,699 main point man for the procurement of 127 00:05:47,629 --> 00:05:44,400 small arms for World War one he has been 128 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:47,639 chosen by these dynasties the duponts 129 00:05:52,430 --> 00:05:49,860 and what have you who own these giant 130 00:05:55,129 --> 00:05:52,440 arms manufacturing companies and want to 131 00:05:57,469 --> 00:05:55,139 make sure that the U.S does get into 132 00:06:00,110 --> 00:05:57,479 World War one and that their products 133 00:06:01,430 --> 00:06:00,120 are in play they're also families like 134 00:06:03,409 --> 00:06:01,440 the Rockefellers and so on who are 135 00:06:06,469 --> 00:06:03,419 looking strategically at the spoils 136 00:06:09,469 --> 00:06:06,479 looking at the tremendous oil supplies 137 00:06:11,210 --> 00:06:09,479 to be had places like Azerbaijan you 138 00:06:14,390 --> 00:06:11,220 know became part of the former Soviet 139 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:14,400 Union and so see a generation after 140 00:06:20,029 --> 00:06:16,800 generation then uh Samuel Bush's son 141 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:20,039 Prescott Bush who goes to school at Yale 142 00:06:26,150 --> 00:06:22,740 and is in skull and bones and befriend 143 00:06:28,610 --> 00:06:26,160 ends the Harriman brothers and they then 144 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:28,620 go into business with a Investment 145 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:30,360 Banking firm called Brown Brothers 146 00:06:35,450 --> 00:06:33,000 Harriman which becomes one of the major 147 00:06:38,090 --> 00:06:35,460 private and very discreet banks of the 148 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:38,100 super wealthy with operations all over 149 00:06:44,210 --> 00:06:41,039 the world including tentacles into the 150 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:44,220 bankers that bankrolled Adolf Hitler and 151 00:06:50,089 --> 00:06:46,560 so it's a it's quite an astonishing 152 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:50,099 Journey for that family and and it's a 153 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:52,620 family that that themselves were never 154 00:06:56,390 --> 00:06:55,020 really all that wealthy but they 155 00:06:58,309 --> 00:06:56,400 certainly were powerful and they 156 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:58,319 certainly were the go-to people for 157 00:07:02,870 --> 00:07:00,240 those who were extremely wealthy in 158 00:07:06,230 --> 00:07:02,880 terms of being able to carry out their 159 00:07:07,850 --> 00:07:06,240 agendas and you do such a great job in 160 00:07:10,249 --> 00:07:07,860 the book and I love those earlier 161 00:07:12,110 --> 00:07:10,259 threads because they are kind of the 162 00:07:13,430 --> 00:07:12,120 hardest to get a hold of but from 163 00:07:15,770 --> 00:07:13,440 listening to your previous interviews 164 00:07:17,930 --> 00:07:15,780 and reading the book I've heard that 165 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:17,940 their family goes back to someone being 166 00:07:21,830 --> 00:07:19,800 an informant in the Civil War One 167 00:07:23,689 --> 00:07:21,840 ancestor was burned at the stake as a 168 00:07:26,450 --> 00:07:23,699 witch another one was made to walk the 169 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:26,460 plank by Pirates so some people have 170 00:07:31,129 --> 00:07:28,680 been kind of wise to their game over the 171 00:07:32,689 --> 00:07:31,139 years it seems 172 00:07:34,610 --> 00:07:32,699 it's an interesting story I think 173 00:07:37,249 --> 00:07:34,620 there's another book in 174 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:37,259 the very very early family history 175 00:07:43,010 --> 00:07:40,680 certainly and you know shows like this 176 00:07:44,930 --> 00:07:43,020 call it conspiring and business circles 177 00:07:47,089 --> 00:07:44,940 call it networking but that really has 178 00:07:49,369 --> 00:07:47,099 been one of their key tools hasn't it 179 00:07:52,010 --> 00:07:49,379 that's right I mean I I think most 180 00:07:55,550 --> 00:07:52,020 successful people understand the 181 00:07:58,070 --> 00:07:55,560 singular importance of connections and 182 00:08:01,309 --> 00:07:58,080 what some people call conspiracy I think 183 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:01,319 is really the the ultimate in Working 184 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:03,060 Connections developing Working 185 00:08:07,850 --> 00:08:06,120 Connections maintaining those networks 186 00:08:11,029 --> 00:08:07,860 and those relationships and the Bush 187 00:08:14,089 --> 00:08:11,039 family was absolutely unsurpassed by the 188 00:08:17,210 --> 00:08:14,099 time you got to George H.W or Papi Bush 189 00:08:19,550 --> 00:08:17,220 he really was evincing this in the form 190 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:19,560 of things like his Christmas card list 191 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:21,120 which I'm trying to remember what it had 192 00:08:24,890 --> 00:08:23,340 it's tens of thousands of people would 193 00:08:26,629 --> 00:08:24,900 get Christmas cards from them every year 194 00:08:29,210 --> 00:08:26,639 but they just maintain these tremendous 195 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:29,220 networks most of us you know may may 196 00:08:32,269 --> 00:08:31,020 talk to a few of our relatives or 197 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:32,279 something but I mean they stayed in 198 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:34,320 touch with every single one on every 199 00:08:38,089 --> 00:08:36,360 level all you know the Kennedys also 200 00:08:40,850 --> 00:08:38,099 were fairly good at it but the bushes 201 00:08:42,649 --> 00:08:40,860 really were just totally unsurpassed in 202 00:08:44,810 --> 00:08:42,659 in keeping track of everybody they'd 203 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:44,820 ever met and not just that but of course 204 00:08:50,329 --> 00:08:47,040 they're the ways in which these people 205 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:50,339 cooperate so you see the joining of the 206 00:08:54,769 --> 00:08:52,320 various kinds of associations some of 207 00:08:57,290 --> 00:08:54,779 them over some of them covert you see 208 00:08:59,630 --> 00:08:57,300 them running certain channels into 209 00:09:02,389 --> 00:08:59,640 certain kinds of military service more 210 00:09:04,850 --> 00:09:02,399 Elite people like Prescott bush appears 211 00:09:07,070 --> 00:09:04,860 to have worked in Military Intelligence 212 00:09:09,769 --> 00:09:07,080 of world war one just like his 213 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:09,779 grandfather in the Navy and so you see 214 00:09:14,449 --> 00:09:11,519 those kind of patterns you see them 215 00:09:17,930 --> 00:09:14,459 joining the social groups many cases 216 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:17,940 these kind of Quasi or quasi or fully 217 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:20,820 Masonic Enterprises you see them 218 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:22,920 certainly in their business ventures and 219 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:25,200 the choices of the people that they 220 00:09:29,389 --> 00:09:26,880 married very similar to what the royal 221 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:29,399 families of Europe would do careful 222 00:09:34,070 --> 00:09:32,100 calculations in that regard and so they 223 00:09:36,290 --> 00:09:34,080 really worked that to the maximum and 224 00:09:39,710 --> 00:09:36,300 this of course is exactly the sort of 225 00:09:43,009 --> 00:09:39,720 framework which enables you to do things 226 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:43,019 outside of the public eye 227 00:09:48,889 --> 00:09:45,360 and uh you mentioned Brown Brothers 228 00:09:50,930 --> 00:09:48,899 Harriman and that is one of the pieces 229 00:09:52,490 --> 00:09:50,940 of the puzzle that I knew least about 230 00:09:54,889 --> 00:09:52,500 and it was one of the key questions I 231 00:09:55,970 --> 00:09:54,899 had for you I wrote down a quote from 232 00:09:57,829 --> 00:09:55,980 your book where you say that 233 00:09:59,870 --> 00:09:57,839 understanding the role of Brown Brothers 234 00:10:01,730 --> 00:09:59,880 Harriman is Central to understanding the 235 00:10:03,650 --> 00:10:01,740 bush Legacy and the vast if 236 00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:03,660 unprecedented influence of the Bush's 237 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:05,760 Inner Circle can you elaborate on them 238 00:10:09,650 --> 00:10:07,200 at all is there anything more to say on 239 00:10:11,569 --> 00:10:09,660 that other than of course they financed 240 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:11,579 the German side of World War II to an 241 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:13,200 extent yeah I mean Brown Brothers 242 00:10:18,949 --> 00:10:15,120 Harriman was originally the Brown 243 00:10:22,130 --> 00:10:18,959 Brothers bank and uh this came came out 244 00:10:24,829 --> 00:10:22,140 of the Mills of England uh they came to 245 00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:24,839 America they were involved in all sorts 246 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:27,060 of things in a cotton trade some 247 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:30,660 connections to the Confederacy and they 248 00:10:35,930 --> 00:10:32,640 ended up banking on the East Coast 249 00:10:40,449 --> 00:10:35,940 Baltimore and then other places and this 250 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:40,459 beat was a very important pillar of the 251 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:42,480 anglo-aristocracy connections into 252 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:46,140 America and then the the harrimans were 253 00:10:52,430 --> 00:10:49,200 this railroad Dynasty and when the old 254 00:10:56,150 --> 00:10:52,440 man E.H Harriman died his two young Sons 255 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:56,160 at that time in in college took over 256 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:58,800 this whole thing and they had all of 257 00:11:02,569 --> 00:11:00,660 this money and all of this corporate 258 00:11:04,430 --> 00:11:02,579 power and we're not sure what to do with 259 00:11:07,850 --> 00:11:04,440 it and they then brought in a man named 260 00:11:11,090 --> 00:11:07,860 George Herbert Walker and this was the 261 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:11,100 father-in-law of Prescott Bush and he 262 00:11:16,430 --> 00:11:13,800 was a prominent investment banker based 263 00:11:18,829 --> 00:11:16,440 in St Louis he was actually one of the 264 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:18,839 most important money figures in America 265 00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:22,680 though very little known in general and 266 00:11:28,670 --> 00:11:25,680 he was brought in he moved to New York 267 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:28,680 and they they merged the harrimans into 268 00:11:33,170 --> 00:11:30,540 Brown brothers and became Brown Brothers 269 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:33,180 Herriman and then Prescott Bush was 270 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:35,160 brought in and he eventually became a 271 00:11:39,590 --> 00:11:37,200 partner there Brown Brothers Harriman 272 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:39,600 because it was Private it was not 273 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:42,120 publicly traded did not have to do the 274 00:11:47,090 --> 00:11:43,980 kinds of filings that public companies 275 00:11:49,430 --> 00:11:47,100 did was able to very discreetly handle 276 00:11:52,430 --> 00:11:49,440 the monies of some of the most exclusive 277 00:11:53,990 --> 00:11:52,440 families in this country and the Brown 278 00:11:56,030 --> 00:11:54,000 Brothers if you go back even before it 279 00:11:59,389 --> 00:11:56,040 was Brown Brothers Harriman it was 280 00:12:01,670 --> 00:11:59,399 already involved in shaping much of 281 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:01,680 American policy you can find a I believe 282 00:12:06,949 --> 00:12:04,380 it was a 1922 issue of the nation 283 00:12:08,629 --> 00:12:06,959 magazine the cover story was the it was 284 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:08,639 called the Republic of Brown brothers 285 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:10,800 and it was about how they were so 286 00:12:15,050 --> 00:12:12,240 influential they were almost like a 287 00:12:18,910 --> 00:12:15,060 country unto themselves they could get 288 00:12:21,889 --> 00:12:18,920 the U.S government to invade Nicaragua 289 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:21,899 when their clients companies like the 290 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:23,940 United Fruit standard fruit and what 291 00:12:28,610 --> 00:12:25,920 have you were threatened their interests 292 00:12:31,310 --> 00:12:28,620 were threatened by the the peoples of 293 00:12:34,129 --> 00:12:31,320 those countries who were put upon rather 294 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:34,139 severely virtually enslaved working 295 00:12:37,490 --> 00:12:36,300 under horrible conditions the 296 00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:37,500 governments of those countries 297 00:12:41,509 --> 00:12:39,600 throughout Central America much in South 298 00:12:42,829 --> 00:12:41,519 America were really what they call these 299 00:12:44,930 --> 00:12:42,839 Banana Republic 300 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:44,940 governments they were often put into 301 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:48,779 power and sustained by the forces like 302 00:12:54,110 --> 00:12:51,120 United Fruit and so on and in turn 303 00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:54,120 outfits like Brown Brothers Harriman and 304 00:12:59,930 --> 00:12:57,000 then major corporate Bank corporate law 305 00:13:02,449 --> 00:12:59,940 firms the sorts like Sullivan and 306 00:13:04,730 --> 00:13:02,459 Cromwell The Firm out of which Allen and 307 00:13:06,110 --> 00:13:04,740 John Dulles came and this is how all 308 00:13:08,090 --> 00:13:06,120 these people got to know each other and 309 00:13:10,310 --> 00:13:08,100 then of course you see John Foster 310 00:13:12,769 --> 00:13:10,320 Dulles becomes the Secretary of State 311 00:13:16,370 --> 00:13:12,779 under Eisenhower his brother Alan 312 00:13:18,290 --> 00:13:16,380 becomes the most influential director of 313 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:18,300 the early Central Intelligence Agency 314 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:21,060 he's a close friend of Prescott Bush and 315 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:23,160 so all of these entities are 316 00:13:29,690 --> 00:13:26,820 fundamentally focused on protecting the 317 00:13:32,509 --> 00:13:29,700 the wealth and the interests and the 318 00:13:35,210 --> 00:13:32,519 power of this relatively small number of 319 00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:35,220 families that were and continued to 320 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:37,920 dominate America yeah it is a 321 00:13:41,509 --> 00:13:39,600 fascinating Story how they do this and 322 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:41,519 you mentioned Yale and the skull and 323 00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:44,160 bone society which is that bullet point 324 00:13:49,490 --> 00:13:47,040 is about as far as a lot of people dig 325 00:13:51,170 --> 00:13:49,500 when it comes to these connections they 326 00:13:53,150 --> 00:13:51,180 know that he was in skull and bones but 327 00:13:54,829 --> 00:13:53,160 that's about it and that is an 328 00:13:57,530 --> 00:13:54,839 organization built for high level 329 00:13:59,930 --> 00:13:57,540 networking did Skull and Bones come up 330 00:14:02,689 --> 00:13:59,940 Beyond just a club they were in while in 331 00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:02,699 college you know I I certainly it's a 332 00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:04,980 secret society and they're all sworn not 333 00:14:09,230 --> 00:14:06,959 to reveal too much about the details 334 00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:09,240 there are several books on skull and 335 00:14:14,990 --> 00:14:13,199 both my sense was that you know people 336 00:14:16,430 --> 00:14:15,000 poo poo these things and if you if you 337 00:14:18,350 --> 00:14:16,440 start talking about them they kind of 338 00:14:20,689 --> 00:14:18,360 try to make fun of you but what I always 339 00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:20,699 say is look the people who were members 340 00:14:25,250 --> 00:14:22,440 didn't think that it was something to be 341 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:25,260 poo pooed they put great store in 342 00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:27,420 getting in and being a member they 343 00:14:31,069 --> 00:14:29,220 thought this is extremely important now 344 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:31,079 unless you want to dismiss them as silly 345 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:33,300 people those who went on to becoming 346 00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:34,560 some of the most powerful and 347 00:14:38,509 --> 00:14:36,959 influential people in America I think we 348 00:14:41,449 --> 00:14:38,519 ought to take it seriously and respect 349 00:14:42,889 --> 00:14:41,459 it and what it was well that that's you 350 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:42,899 know that's hard to say what it is that 351 00:14:47,389 --> 00:14:45,120 that's hard to say I think certainly 352 00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:47,399 people join these things for a sense of 353 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:48,959 belonging just like they join 354 00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:51,480 fraternities and sororities they want to 355 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:54,959 be accepted by other by Elites they want 356 00:14:59,870 --> 00:14:57,540 to get a leg up there's a sense of you 357 00:15:02,689 --> 00:14:59,880 know you're special you're the elect and 358 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:02,699 so you join and you have to make certain 359 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:06,240 sacrifices you have to presumably do 360 00:15:11,449 --> 00:15:08,959 certain rituals in many cases 361 00:15:13,970 --> 00:15:11,459 installing bones and in others uh 362 00:15:16,670 --> 00:15:13,980 humiliate or debase yourself to prove 363 00:15:19,730 --> 00:15:16,680 how badly you want to be in and then you 364 00:15:21,650 --> 00:15:19,740 you swear Oaths of loyalty and of 365 00:15:24,170 --> 00:15:21,660 secrecy and of course once you've done 366 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:24,180 that that's a lifelong thing flash 367 00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:27,480 forward to the 2004 presidential 368 00:15:32,329 --> 00:15:30,600 election where the extraordinary set of 369 00:15:34,370 --> 00:15:32,339 circumstances where the nominees are the 370 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:34,380 two major parties were both from Yale 371 00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:37,380 and we're both for members of skull and 372 00:15:41,870 --> 00:15:39,959 bones and even John Kerry the liberal 373 00:15:44,509 --> 00:15:41,880 when asked about it said it's it's 374 00:15:45,710 --> 00:15:44,519 secret I can't talk about it now you 375 00:15:48,170 --> 00:15:45,720 know what does that mean they were 376 00:15:50,269 --> 00:15:48,180 obviously able to face off in a pretty 377 00:15:53,210 --> 00:15:50,279 tough campaign against each other but 378 00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:53,220 for example a carry seemed in some cases 379 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:54,959 to sort of hold his fire some people 380 00:15:59,449 --> 00:15:57,120 thought he might have won if he had not 381 00:16:01,129 --> 00:15:59,459 done so and you do wonder what they have 382 00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:01,139 on each other and what they've agreed to 383 00:16:05,329 --> 00:16:03,839 do and not to do and their notion of you 384 00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:05,339 know sort of splitting up the pie and 385 00:16:09,889 --> 00:16:07,920 all of that so it is not all that well 386 00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:09,899 understood and I think all of these 387 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:12,959 secret organizations deserve much much 388 00:16:18,889 --> 00:16:16,320 more scrutiny yeah I mean obviously from 389 00:16:20,749 --> 00:16:18,899 what I've heard blackmail plays a huge 390 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:20,759 role in these secret societies you know 391 00:16:24,769 --> 00:16:22,620 you get somebody to do something 392 00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:24,779 embarrassing like you mentioned or or 393 00:16:28,189 --> 00:16:25,860 something 394 00:16:29,930 --> 00:16:28,199 um uncouth and then if you put that 395 00:16:32,509 --> 00:16:29,940 person into a position of power years 396 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:32,519 later you've got that dirt on them so if 397 00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,320 you put people in powerful positions and 398 00:16:39,050 --> 00:16:36,480 then you stay in the shadows you can get 399 00:16:41,090 --> 00:16:39,060 them to do a lot to not have those dirty 400 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:41,100 secrets from back in the day revealed 401 00:16:45,370 --> 00:16:42,779 that's right and there's no question 402 00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:45,380 question that blackmail particularly 403 00:16:51,230 --> 00:16:48,839 relating to sexual matters but also to 404 00:16:55,370 --> 00:16:51,240 other things has played a very important 405 00:16:59,449 --> 00:16:55,380 role in American politics maybe less so 406 00:17:02,150 --> 00:16:59,459 if you go back to the 19th century and 407 00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:02,160 part of the 20th century where the the 408 00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:04,500 Press had an understanding that they 409 00:17:09,169 --> 00:17:06,600 were not to speak about certain things 410 00:17:12,169 --> 00:17:09,179 they remained quiet about for example 411 00:17:14,210 --> 00:17:12,179 Franklin Roosevelt's Health John F 412 00:17:16,490 --> 00:17:14,220 Kennedy's Health there were many many 413 00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:16,500 things they did not talk about many if 414 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,199 not most of the presidents had lovers 415 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,600 and they did not talk about that at some 416 00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:23,760 point that changed and as that began to 417 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:26,520 change all bets were often because 418 00:17:33,169 --> 00:17:29,700 America is sort of famous for it 419 00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:33,179 somewhat Victorian mores in in public at 420 00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:34,160 least 421 00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:37,140 this put these people very much on the 422 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:39,600 defensive and they understood that if 423 00:17:46,490 --> 00:17:41,760 they were to get into power or remain in 424 00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:46,500 power uh that they could not afford for 425 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:47,880 any of these things to come out so yes 426 00:17:52,010 --> 00:17:49,620 blackmail very very important and all we 427 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:52,020 have to do is look at people like like 428 00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:55,980 Gary Hart and John Edwards and Ted 429 00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,799 Kennedy and we can go on and on and on I 430 00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:00,480 mean these things when they came out 431 00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:02,940 really damaged them kept them from 432 00:18:08,930 --> 00:18:05,760 becoming president so the ability to 433 00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:08,940 have to be ensure that whatever there 434 00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:11,160 was about you that perhaps made you all 435 00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:13,440 too human to make sure that did not come 436 00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:15,780 out I think was was part of all this and 437 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:17,400 certainly in the course of my research 438 00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:19,020 I've seen all sorts of things about 439 00:18:24,289 --> 00:18:22,740 George W bush and his father and the 440 00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,299 grandfather and so on that that never 441 00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:26,160 did come out and that the public to this 442 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,080 day doesn't know about and and perhaps 443 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:30,720 it was these to some extent it was these 444 00:18:36,049 --> 00:18:33,960 networks that were protecting them yeah 445 00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:36,059 and there are some great revelations in 446 00:18:39,409 --> 00:18:37,440 the book obviously we're going to get to 447 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:39,419 them but one more question about kind of 448 00:18:43,549 --> 00:18:41,220 the older Generations in wealth creation 449 00:18:45,650 --> 00:18:43,559 tell us about dresser other Industries 450 00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:45,660 this is one of the places where Prescott 451 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:47,640 seemed to make at least a little bit of 452 00:18:59,450 --> 00:18:57,230 oil industry and it was what became 453 00:19:02,570 --> 00:18:59,460 known as an oil services company it 454 00:19:05,870 --> 00:19:02,580 didn't it didn't actually Prospect or 455 00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:05,880 drill for oil or refine petroleum 456 00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:08,880 products it provided all kinds of other 457 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:11,940 things from well drilling equipment and 458 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:14,580 Derricks and what have you drills and so 459 00:19:21,529 --> 00:19:18,480 forth and Brown Brothers Harriman took 460 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:21,539 over bought out dresser Industries and 461 00:19:28,490 --> 00:19:25,799 then they appointed a a friend of a 462 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:28,500 Prescott Bush to run the company fellow 463 00:19:32,570 --> 00:19:31,080 by the name of Neil Mallon and you see 464 00:19:34,669 --> 00:19:32,580 these names again and again just like 465 00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:34,679 George Herbert Walker becomes the name 466 00:19:37,730 --> 00:19:36,360 that goes throughout the Bush family 467 00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:37,740 they even do it with some of their 468 00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:40,620 friends so George W Bush's brother Neil 469 00:19:45,710 --> 00:19:43,740 his name is actually Neil Malin Bush 470 00:19:48,409 --> 00:19:45,720 right so they named him after this 471 00:19:50,510 --> 00:19:48,419 friend of the family uncle Neal who 472 00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:50,520 really wasn't in the family at all and 473 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,460 he Neil Mellon was just basically told 474 00:19:57,289 --> 00:19:55,200 that he would run this this company 475 00:19:59,570 --> 00:19:57,299 there's a story in my book family of 476 00:20:01,850 --> 00:19:59,580 secrets about that where he comes back 477 00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,860 from uh he's young and he's climbing 478 00:20:05,149 --> 00:20:03,120 mountains and traveling around Europe 479 00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:05,159 and carefree and they just call him in 480 00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,260 and say okay now you have to run this 481 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:09,600 company and it's kind of amazing to hear 482 00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,220 those stories there's another one with 483 00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:13,919 Dick Cheney where Dick Cheney was you 484 00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,780 know la dee Dottie dot he's out on a 485 00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:18,000 hunting trip and while he's out hunting 486 00:20:21,289 --> 00:20:19,440 some of the other people on the trip are 487 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:21,299 at the lodge and they've decided that 488 00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:23,580 he's going to take over and run another 489 00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:25,620 company called Halliburton and 490 00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,940 eventually by the way dresser and 491 00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:29,520 Halliburton become merged and part of 492 00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:32,280 the same company and and so these are 493 00:20:38,210 --> 00:20:36,360 the Untold Stories of the infrastructure 494 00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,220 of so much of American industry and how 495 00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,320 these things are connected now now 496 00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:43,440 um dresser Industries interested me a 497 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,140 great deal because I saw the role that 498 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,480 it played very much as a Cooperative 499 00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:50,880 entity with the American intelligence 500 00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:54,960 apparatus and dresser Industries not 501 00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:57,000 only provided cover for people working 502 00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:00,600 in intelligence I found documents where 503 00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:03,240 they were briefing or talking to people 504 00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:05,340 in the CIA including Alan Dulles about 505 00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,740 various Enterprises and the Caribbean 506 00:21:12,890 --> 00:21:09,600 dealing with Castro and what have you 507 00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:12,900 and they also provided a job for a young 508 00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:16,020 George H.W bush when he was starting out 509 00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:18,059 and I guess we'll get into that later 510 00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,580 but ended up that that was essentially a 511 00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:22,980 kind of a no-show job that was covered 512 00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:25,559 for him so that he could do intelligence 513 00:21:30,649 --> 00:21:28,860 work yeah it must be nice to have the 514 00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:30,659 lodge just setting up company after 515 00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:32,820 company to put you at the head of which 516 00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:35,280 we were also lucky but to Jump Ahead a 517 00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:37,020 little bit one of the big revelations in 518 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:40,799 family of Secrets is Poppy's Secret Life 519 00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:43,020 and you know a lot of people know that 520 00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:45,780 Poppy Bush H.W bush was director of the 521 00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:49,559 CIA for one year in 1976 but I've heard 522 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:51,240 a lot of researchers suggest that his 523 00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:52,860 ties go much deeper but you actually 524 00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,380 connect quite a few dots along with 525 00:21:59,930 --> 00:21:57,840 another researcher Joseph McBride to 526 00:22:02,630 --> 00:21:59,940 make a pretty conclusive case that his 527 00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:02,640 ties to the CAA go much deeper don't 528 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:07,140 they yeah I mean uh McBride and and one 529 00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:10,500 other person had found some obscure 530 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,080 overlooked documents memos that 531 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:16,320 referenced a George Bush as being in the 532 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:20,940 CIA in some capacity dating back to 1963 533 00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:23,220 at the time of John F Kennedy's 534 00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:26,700 assassination and these stories came out 535 00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:30,720 in the late 80s as George H.W bush then 536 00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,240 vice president was about to be anointed 537 00:22:37,310 --> 00:22:35,760 a president and they were pretty much 538 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,320 suppressed but they were important 539 00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,840 stories and I took a close look at that 540 00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:41,520 and wondered well what did this all mean 541 00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:44,220 and was was that the same manner was 542 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:46,620 that not through my research I concluded 543 00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:49,740 that in fact it was the same man that he 544 00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:51,419 had in fact been involved with 545 00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:55,520 intelligence work not just in 546 00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,039 1976 when Gerald Ford appointed him CIA 547 00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:01,440 director as a supposed Neo fight with no 548 00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,419 background or particular qualifications 549 00:23:07,549 --> 00:23:05,280 to be CIA director that never made any 550 00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,559 sense to me I started looking at that 551 00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:09,840 separately and on my own saying why was 552 00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:12,840 this guy made CIA director and that's 553 00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:14,760 when I really started looking at these 554 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,380 these documents that these others had 555 00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:18,480 Unearthed and trying to do what I could 556 00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:21,539 to figure out what he was doing what his 557 00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:23,400 trajectory was and that got me into 558 00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,340 looking at some of the early papers of 559 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:29,520 his own oil company called Zapata oil 560 00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:32,100 and concluding to my own and I think 561 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:33,720 most people's satisfaction that the 562 00:23:40,930 --> 00:23:37,080 company was a little more than a itself 563 00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:40,940 a cover entity for Espionage work 564 00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:45,179 offshore was a small company that seemed 565 00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:47,460 never to turn a profit yet they were 566 00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:49,559 traveling all over the world constantly 567 00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:53,039 always in hot spots and often in places 568 00:23:57,769 --> 00:23:55,620 where they had no seeming offshore 569 00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:57,779 drilling business and I could see what 570 00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,840 that was and I began to map out George 571 00:24:05,149 --> 00:24:03,059 H.W Bush's connections to all these 572 00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:05,159 other fellows who also had gone to these 573 00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:07,500 Ivy League schools and grown up together 574 00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:10,860 and they were there was no question that 575 00:24:16,010 --> 00:24:13,080 they were very important very high level 576 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:16,020 CIA people and this developed this 577 00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:18,360 notion of this whole constellation of 578 00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:21,059 sort of the substrata of American power 579 00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:23,880 where these corporations and these Banks 580 00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:26,580 and these oil companies are kind of 581 00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:30,539 operating seamlessly with the largely 582 00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:33,720 and almost completely opaque mysterious 583 00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,059 American intelligence apparatus the 584 00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:38,880 foreign policy apparatus and so on that 585 00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,419 I began to see how this this was a all 586 00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:45,120 of it together a means of perpetuating 587 00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:50,820 the influence wealth and impact of this 588 00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:54,260 relatively small American Elite 589 00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:57,840 and with the CIA connections it's really 590 00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,360 interesting because something you talk 591 00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,919 about in the book that I hadn't really 592 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,840 considered is that before there was an 593 00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:06,480 official CIA or office of strategic 594 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,240 Services major companies had their own 595 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:12,000 private agents and spies so it makes 596 00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:13,980 perfect sense that when these government 597 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,620 agencies opened they'd hire some of 598 00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:19,440 these agents and that's problematic 599 00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:22,140 right from the start isn't it yeah and 600 00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:26,340 and in fact governments always had a 601 00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:28,980 stream of intelligence if you want to 602 00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:32,159 call it that of reports that they used 603 00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,299 even without having formal spy agencies 604 00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,220 the United States well first of all the 605 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:41,039 military had always served as you know 606 00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,020 always the military intelligence had 607 00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:45,360 existed for a long time I think as long 608 00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:46,740 as it's been military there's always 609 00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:48,779 been an intelligence component because 610 00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,539 of course you know Scouts and collecting 611 00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:53,400 information about the about the enemy 612 00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:56,039 troops has always been a core function 613 00:26:02,110 --> 00:25:59,400 of any military and then on non-military 614 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,120 matters you had these companies going 615 00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,520 abroad well they were doing business and 616 00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:07,679 they were having problems and they were 617 00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:09,480 collecting information they were 618 00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:12,120 conveying it to the American state 619 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:14,760 department and to others to their own 620 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,460 networks back home and so this was the 621 00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:19,620 main method in fact Franklin Roosevelt 622 00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:22,860 was firmly again against creating a 623 00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,340 non-military peacetime intelligence 624 00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,159 organization he saw it as as dangerous a 625 00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,440 Potential Threat to democracy he was 626 00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:33,360 rather prescient I think in that regard 627 00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,120 but yes these these these informal 628 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,400 networks and then then what happened was 629 00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:40,860 the Great American corporations 630 00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:44,039 um the Ford Motor Company Coca-Cola 631 00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,400 Pepsi Cola which United Fruit and so on 632 00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,440 they were doing essentially their own 633 00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:51,840 intelligence gathering and of course you 634 00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:53,340 know they had their operations all over 635 00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:55,260 the world and their relationships with 636 00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:58,799 these leaders and dictators and so they 637 00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,299 had all the information coming through 638 00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:02,940 and so that when the CIA was created it 639 00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:05,000 was very easy to sort of continue 640 00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:08,039 operating through these entities IBM was 641 00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:09,960 another one the believe it or not the 642 00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:11,880 Singer sewing machine company which is 643 00:27:16,269 --> 00:27:14,039 regarded one of the maybe the first the 644 00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:16,279 world's first multinational corporation 645 00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,460 they all were in this game 646 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:22,559 yeah man and it's really impressive that 647 00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:23,520 you've been able to put all this 648 00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,480 together and these HW CIA Secret Life 649 00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,760 Connections because Poppy bush has been 650 00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,679 notoriously careful about his paper 651 00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:33,360 trail ever since the early days in the 652 00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:35,820 Navy hasn't he he has and there's a 653 00:27:41,149 --> 00:27:38,460 story in family of secrets about that I 654 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:41,159 guess you recall that he had produced 655 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:43,260 some sort of a report and he sent it in 656 00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:44,760 and he wrote down a bunch of stuff and 657 00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:47,460 he was excoriated by his commanding 658 00:27:51,889 --> 00:27:50,039 officer who said don't ever put this 659 00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:51,899 stuff down on paper and he certainly 660 00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:54,299 took that to heart and he became a very 661 00:28:03,110 --> 00:27:58,620 very secretive man and so secretive that 662 00:28:05,389 --> 00:28:03,120 he knew how to he went to Great Extreme 663 00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,399 Measures to sort of not be implicated in 664 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:07,320 much of anything and we see this playing 665 00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:11,520 out in matters like Iran Contra where in 666 00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,360 all likelihood he was a key figure an 667 00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:17,279 instigator whatever you want to call it 668 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,980 the uh the Bay of Pigs invasion where it 669 00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:22,080 appears that he was a an important 670 00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,179 figure there and then as I get into my 671 00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:26,580 book indications that something was 672 00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:30,419 afoot Dallas in 1963 that George Herbert 673 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,240 Walker Bush again was part of but he was 674 00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:36,240 so careful and what I do in family of 675 00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,659 Secrets is I go through some instances 676 00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:42,240 where we can actually unravel it despite 677 00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:45,860 his care we can see where he's creating 678 00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,460 Alibis and misleading Paper Trails and 679 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,980 so forth but but in the end of course 680 00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,200 those things are also the things that 681 00:29:02,690 --> 00:28:58,799 that that show what he was really doing 682 00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:02,700 and uh you had mentioned Zapata oil and 683 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:04,260 his partner in starting that up was a 684 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:07,799 guy named Thomas Devine and he very much 685 00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:10,140 was a CIA employee so you can definitely 686 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:12,840 tell there was an early connection to 687 00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:16,080 some degree and I actually was really 688 00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,940 impressed how personally involved you 689 00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:19,500 got with this investigation you actually 690 00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,140 called Thomas Devine up yourself and 691 00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,059 outside of a little back and forth he 692 00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:26,460 was instructed by HW not to cooperate 693 00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,880 right that's right he actually you know 694 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:32,100 at this point he was I guess well in his 695 00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,380 80s or something and he just when I 696 00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,480 called him he didn't deny anything he 697 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:38,159 sort of was very careful he said oh I 698 00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:40,620 see and what is this about and uh well 699 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:42,179 let me let me make some calls and get 700 00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:43,860 back to you you know which is exactly 701 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:45,899 what you expect the consummate 702 00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:49,260 intelligence officer to do he was sort 703 00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,960 of unflappable no reason to know that I 704 00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:54,240 was going to call him but then he he 705 00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,760 actually asked me whether this my book 706 00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,000 was authorized or approved and I thought 707 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:02,159 that was very interesting because of 708 00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:04,380 course the establishment and this is one 709 00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:07,140 of the main themes in family of secrets 710 00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:10,440 in in my work throughout my career and a 711 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:13,740 key point that we focus on with our news 712 00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:17,760 site who what why dot org is about how 713 00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:20,220 the public perceptions are manipulated 714 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,580 through a controlled media and and we 715 00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:24,960 see this in the form of the book 716 00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,940 publishing industry that's one component 717 00:30:32,269 --> 00:30:29,520 of it where for example there a book 718 00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:32,279 came out not that long ago by the former 719 00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:34,980 editor of Newsweek and it was very much 720 00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:38,760 an authorized biography of George H.W 721 00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:41,340 bush even though my book was already out 722 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:43,260 for a number of years even though it's a 723 00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,440 bestseller he completely ignored all of 724 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:48,240 the revelations in there and went back 725 00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:50,700 to the old stories all the old phony 726 00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:53,220 stuff that uh that the bushes have been 727 00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:55,620 putting out and of course he unlike me 728 00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,419 was invited on to all the major 729 00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,000 television shows and radio and they 730 00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:02,100 staggeringly and this is uh revealing 731 00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:05,159 about the fundamental Corruption of the 732 00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,799 media not just the media but Academia 733 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,080 and book publishing and so forth that 734 00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:12,480 they are perfectly able to just look the 735 00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:15,419 other way and act like none of this uh 736 00:31:20,509 --> 00:31:17,220 scholarship or research has been done 737 00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,519 play the game and have these kinds of 738 00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:23,039 people on there with their mythologies 739 00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:25,380 and so you know they don't they don't go 740 00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:28,200 and call the Thomas devines and and you 741 00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:31,320 know ask George Herbert Walker Bush what 742 00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:34,440 he was doing on November 22 1963 in 743 00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:37,860 Dallas and why he was having lunch that 744 00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:40,440 week with a man named Alfred Omer an old 745 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:42,860 friend of his who was the former CIA 746 00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:45,600 bureau chief and a number of countries 747 00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:48,720 when there was a military coups and when 748 00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:51,480 there were attempts to overthrow leaders 749 00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:52,940 through the U.S 750 00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,039 disapproved of none of that ever seems 751 00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,260 to make it into those books that are the 752 00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:59,760 only ones that most people hear about 753 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:02,399 because they hear about almost all this 754 00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,140 stuff not through shows like yours but 755 00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:07,260 through the traditional media right and 756 00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:08,700 that is a component we've been looking 757 00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,159 at a lot recently this PR machine that 758 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,320 these Elites have Rockefeller had a 759 00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:15,840 great one and the bushes are obviously 760 00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:18,120 no different but I think a lot of people 761 00:32:22,009 --> 00:32:20,100 think these books are just kind of ego 762 00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:22,019 service but clearly they're more than 763 00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:24,059 that they use these books to kind of 764 00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:26,820 fudge their backstory and create their 765 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:30,480 alibi eyes and in some senses and you 766 00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,760 see this pretty clearly when it comes to 767 00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:34,799 their military record especially in 768 00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:36,840 poppy Bush's case right 769 00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:39,240 yes that's right I mean when I looked at 770 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,700 his World War II service and of course 771 00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:44,460 that you know that he was a war hero you 772 00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:48,120 know a decorated pilot who had survived 773 00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:50,460 the Downing of his plane this was all 774 00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:52,740 part of what they used when he ran for 775 00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:56,159 office and and as I began looking at 776 00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:57,779 that I was fascinated with that story 777 00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,360 because he was the pilot his plane went 778 00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:02,159 down his crew members died and he 779 00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:03,899 survived and of course being a 780 00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:05,399 journalist I said you know I'd like to 781 00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:06,899 know more about the particulars there 782 00:33:11,149 --> 00:33:09,419 because you know the the famous saying 783 00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:11,159 that the captain of the ship is to be 784 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:14,039 the last one to leave and I want to know 785 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,960 more about it and as I looked into it I 786 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,240 discovered that he had told several 787 00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:20,880 different dramatically conflicting 788 00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:24,600 versions of What had happened and why he 789 00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:27,179 had survived while his crewmates had 790 00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:30,720 perished and in fact also that other 791 00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:33,419 Witnesses including a man in the plane 792 00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:36,299 right behind his disputed his story that 793 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,500 his plane had been hit and badly 794 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,240 derailed and that he had no choice 795 00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:45,600 crippled but to but to bail out and his 796 00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,640 story that when he bailed out he thought 797 00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:49,679 everybody else had already left the 798 00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,620 plane so that kind of story and then of 799 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:53,760 course people say well that's so 800 00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:55,260 distasteful how can you question 801 00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:57,179 somebody's military record and their 802 00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:59,399 heroism it's very very selective because 803 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,899 of course they had no problem 804 00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:03,600 questioning John Kerry's record yet the 805 00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:05,460 fact is that John Kerry you know 806 00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:08,280 volunteered for Swift boat service and 807 00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:10,079 whatever you want to say about that that 808 00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:13,919 was incredibly a harrowing type of work 809 00:34:19,069 --> 00:34:16,980 and he did it and yet they were able to 810 00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:19,079 raise questions about whether he was a 811 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:21,060 coward and so on and so it's a very 812 00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:24,960 cynical machine that makes some people 813 00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:27,179 suspect they they went after George 814 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:29,879 McGovern in 1972 though George McGovern 815 00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,720 had been a flyer in World War II and a 816 00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:35,879 hero and they made Nixon out to be a 817 00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:38,220 tough guy but I mean he wasn't involved 818 00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:39,899 practically at all in World War II he 819 00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:43,020 basically was a belatedly got involved 820 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:44,040 because he knew he would have a 821 00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:45,960 political career as a sort of a supply 822 00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,500 officer on a ship and so that this is 823 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,440 what they do they they look for the they 824 00:34:56,569 --> 00:34:54,720 look for their enemy's strengths and 825 00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,579 they try to turn those into weaknesses 826 00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,280 right yeah it's all about perception and 827 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,160 another note I had here about Zapata 828 00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:04,560 oils apparently they had a rig off the 829 00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:07,020 coast of media in Colombia during some 830 00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:09,480 key years and of course we're talking a 831 00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,880 lot about the CIA connections so it begs 832 00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:13,680 the question did drug running come up at 833 00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,480 all in your investigation of the Bush's 834 00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:17,760 wealth creation schemes well first of 835 00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,079 all as far as Medellin it's very very 836 00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:21,480 strange because Medellin is is not on 837 00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:24,060 the coast it's Inland and in Colombia 838 00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,660 and as far as I know and and I'm not an 839 00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:29,400 expert on this and I wasn't able to do 840 00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,859 massive amounts of research but the what 841 00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,800 research I could do it seemed to me and 842 00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:36,480 I'm be happy to be corrected on this 843 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:39,960 that back in that period which was the 844 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:44,820 early 60s Medellin was not yet an active 845 00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,820 Center in the drug trade so so I don't 846 00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:49,680 know what to make of that what we found 847 00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,020 was that Zapata had hired a judge who 848 00:36:00,890 --> 00:35:58,560 had helped fix the 1948 senate election 849 00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:00,900 of Lyndon Johnson this is a whole other 850 00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,020 area about the unusual ties between the 851 00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,760 bushes and Johnson though they were 852 00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:08,400 ostensibly from opposite parties they 853 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,859 had hired this man judge Manuel Bravo 854 00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:13,680 and then given him this job in Medellin 855 00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,380 Colombia now that it would look like 856 00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,599 kind of like a no-show job why they 857 00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,599 hired him why he went there if they were 858 00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:23,940 you know did he have to leave the 859 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,339 country was he looking for a cynic cure 860 00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:28,740 I I don't know that that all deserves 861 00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:30,900 more research but it was very very 862 00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,240 strange that they hired him that they 863 00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,560 sent him to Columbia that they even had 864 00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:36,599 an office in Medellin because it's not 865 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,740 not one of the ports in Colombia where 866 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,480 you would expect to find an offshore 867 00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:45,119 drilling company yeah man it's a curious 868 00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:46,920 thing and I figured I just had to ask I 869 00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:49,140 know it's not a big part of the book but 870 00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:50,760 alarm Bells start going off when you 871 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:52,859 hear about media in Colombia and when 872 00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:54,180 people start talking about drug running 873 00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:57,300 it always tends to come up so it does 874 00:37:02,089 --> 00:36:59,579 and let me just say by the way that that 875 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:02,099 I don't want to skirt that issue the CIA 876 00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,300 has been extremely complicit in the drug 877 00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:09,119 trade throughout the world we see that 878 00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:11,940 even now with with the poppies in 879 00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:15,000 Afghanistan but we saw that in um saw 880 00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:18,839 that very much in Laos where a former 881 00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:21,060 Coca-Cola factory had been turned into a 882 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:23,880 giant drug Factory where the uh planes 883 00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,880 were being used the planes of the CIA 884 00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:28,680 Proprietors were being used to shuttle 885 00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:30,900 drugs we saw that the allegations 886 00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:33,780 regarding the uh introduction of crack 887 00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,300 cocaine into America with the we saw 888 00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:39,359 with the Iran Contra with the the role 889 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:41,400 of the drug trade there 890 00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:44,520 the the intelligence world has always 891 00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,500 you know they they move huge amounts of 892 00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,720 money probably the biggest activity of 893 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,400 these determined intelligence that by 894 00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:53,040 the way is a misnomer because uh 895 00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:56,040 although that's the most acceptable work 896 00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:57,900 that we would see these organizations 897 00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,140 doing it's often the most dismissed 898 00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:04,079 internally it's the covert operations or 899 00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:07,859 the often illegal aggressive behavior 900 00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:11,520 from you know sabotage to Blackmail to 901 00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:13,980 assassination that often Define these 902 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,980 organizations and another part and 903 00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:18,480 probably the biggest part of what they 904 00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:21,540 do is bribery moving billions of dollars 905 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,859 a year to finance student and labor 906 00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,839 leaders and journalists all over the 907 00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,240 world that are not only supplying 908 00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:33,599 information but operating on behalf of 909 00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:36,060 so-called American interests and how do 910 00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:37,560 you move that money well you you you 911 00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:40,500 can't just move it visibly and so you 912 00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,060 move it in other forms terms whether 913 00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,460 it's and I get into all this in my book 914 00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:46,560 family of Secrets I get into the you 915 00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:49,320 know the use of drugs the use of gold 916 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,380 the use of all different uh substitute 917 00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,200 forms is there's art there's property of 918 00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:56,640 course shell companies there's many many 919 00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:58,200 different ways of moving this but drugs 920 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:00,540 has been a very very important part of 921 00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:04,500 that and uh the at a minimum these 922 00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:07,320 entities uh including when George H.W 923 00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:10,680 bush was running it were very much at 924 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:12,980 least looking at the other way if not 925 00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:16,200 explicitly condoning it right we 926 00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:18,300 recently did a show looking at the 927 00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:20,940 clintons and when Bill was governor of 928 00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:23,099 Arkansas Coke running with the CIA 929 00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:25,140 through the airport there there's a lot 930 00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:27,060 of speculation that they were involved 931 00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:28,920 in that so I figured I'd ask of course 932 00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,300 with the CIA connections and another 933 00:39:34,569 --> 00:39:32,400 thing that came up in that show on the 934 00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:34,579 clintons is the fact that a lot of their 935 00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,320 opponents and critics over the years 936 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,599 have sometimes gone missing and that 937 00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:41,040 came up more than once have you seen any 938 00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:42,660 of this this kind of thing with the bush 939 00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:46,440 Clan in the sort of work I do there are 940 00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:49,800 so many strange stories and so many 941 00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:53,700 situations where key Witnesses my work 942 00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:56,280 relating to the assassination of John F 943 00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,540 Kennedy we see scores of people who had 944 00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:03,359 untimely deaths simply vanished from the 945 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,579 face of the Earth we see that again and 946 00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:07,980 again and again I mean what are the 947 00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,540 stories which I don't even think this is 948 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,240 in family of Secrets but uh there was a 949 00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:14,700 story of a of a young woman who 950 00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:17,160 supposedly had been impregnated by one 951 00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:20,220 of the bushes out in West Texas and I 952 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,020 talked to people who knew about that 953 00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:24,540 story but as far as the young woman what 954 00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:26,940 I was told was that she and her entire 955 00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,760 family simply vanished some vehicle 956 00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:31,380 showed up and all of their belongings 957 00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:32,579 were put into it and they were never 958 00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:34,920 seen again so yes these kind of things 959 00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:38,520 definitely do happen Jesus man and I've 960 00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:40,619 heard you say something to the effect 961 00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:44,040 that the bushes are just the work worker 962 00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:46,200 bees of the network and you know they're 963 00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,460 obviously some of the most public 964 00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:49,200 figures in it but what can you tell us 965 00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:52,260 about maybe their bosses well you know 966 00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:54,660 the everybody's always looking for a 967 00:41:00,410 --> 00:40:58,319 vowel of a number of you know people who 968 00:41:02,109 --> 00:41:00,420 meet together and control everything and 969 00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:02,119 you hear all these things over the years 970 00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:04,680 and long term you hear about you know 971 00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:07,560 the various groups and families like the 972 00:41:11,329 --> 00:41:09,420 Rothschilds and so on and you know of 973 00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:11,339 course all of those play a role but the 974 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,579 reality is that these things shift in 975 00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,740 which families and which individuals and 976 00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:18,359 which organizations which networks 977 00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:21,300 they're not necessarily constants you 978 00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:23,880 know every family I'm sure you know that 979 00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:27,240 the the not everybody is in lockstep and 980 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:29,460 siblings don't always agree and the 981 00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:30,780 children don't always want to be 982 00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,760 involved in the family business in the 983 00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,760 same way so it's it it makes it 984 00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:37,920 difficult to do this kind of work but 985 00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,140 just to give an example of the story 986 00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:43,200 about uh the late Supreme Court Justice 987 00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:46,440 Antonin Scalia and the ranch that he was 988 00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:48,359 on very interesting to take a close look 989 00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:50,760 at the man whose Ranch it was these are 990 00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:53,760 very wealthy people who are not in the 991 00:41:59,410 --> 00:41:56,520 Limelight we've never heard of them they 992 00:42:02,809 --> 00:41:59,420 tend to own companies that you know 993 00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,819 manufacture in his case I want to say 994 00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,260 there was some kind of I think 995 00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,200 Industrial Vehicles I believe you know 996 00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,720 we we don't think about a lot of those 997 00:42:13,309 --> 00:42:11,760 Industries and you know things like 998 00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:13,319 dresser Industries we don't think about 999 00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:16,740 oil Derricks and drilling mud and those 1000 00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:18,660 kinds of things we we you know even 1001 00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,460 today what do we hear about we hear 1002 00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,440 about the Bill Gates says that you know 1003 00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:24,839 the Twitter billionaires the people who 1004 00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:27,720 make the devices and the products apples 1005 00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:30,599 that we that we use and that we Revere 1006 00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,800 but our lives are made functional and 1007 00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,079 and comfortable by the you know the air 1008 00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,319 conditioning equipment and the inside 1009 00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,660 our phone are you know minerals that 1010 00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,599 were mined by other companies and you 1011 00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:47,880 know who makes all kinds of things the 1012 00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,460 the insulation in our houses we tend not 1013 00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:51,839 to think about those things but those 1014 00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:54,599 are companies and those companies deal 1015 00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:58,520 very much at at the at the base level of 1016 00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,319 manufacturing and of the the need for a 1017 00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:03,599 constant flow of resources generally 1018 00:43:08,809 --> 00:43:06,660 often either from places in the United 1019 00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:08,819 States where there are competing 1020 00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:10,740 interests environmental groups and so 1021 00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:13,319 forth or bringing it from abroad where 1022 00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:15,960 often the the people in that country are 1023 00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:18,300 being underpaid much against their will 1024 00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,400 for their countries Heritage and and for 1025 00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:24,720 their labor 1026 00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:26,220 um and so there are all of these 1027 00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,160 interests in maintaining that kind of 1028 00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:31,200 status quo and that kind of advantage 1029 00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:33,900 and you know the Koch brothers nobody 1030 00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,400 had heard of them or very few people had 1031 00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:37,560 heard of them more than a few years ago 1032 00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:40,680 and so we we have to be we need a good 1033 00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,040 media good investigative media uh and 1034 00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:46,680 researchers to be constantly studying 1035 00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,079 these families these individuals and so 1036 00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,359 on uh and it's not that simple it's very 1037 00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,880 very difficult right yeah it seems like 1038 00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:55,740 a real life Game of Thrones to some 1039 00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:57,900 extent and you know one of the most 1040 00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,359 suspicious things about poppy bush is 1041 00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,400 that when questioned he said he just 1042 00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,680 couldn't recall where he was when JFK 1043 00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,240 was shot which you've alluded to a 1044 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,460 couple of times so far and it's got to 1045 00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,220 be rare for any American really but why 1046 00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:12,960 do you think he's been so coy about 1047 00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:15,240 where he was at the time I wanted to 1048 00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:17,160 know the answer to that or to put it 1049 00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:19,500 another way I simply 1050 00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:21,720 said his history to find out where he 1051 00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:24,780 was when as the question went where were 1052 00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,099 you when you heard that the president 1053 00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:28,319 had been shot which is something that 1054 00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:31,140 anybody who was probably five years old 1055 00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,440 or over at that time could answer just 1056 00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:36,300 like as they could about 9 11 and so 1057 00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:38,099 forth I mean I was just wanted to know 1058 00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:39,900 sort of where he was and so I went 1059 00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,180 through what I could of his records his 1060 00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,119 papers books he had written interviews 1061 00:44:49,309 --> 00:44:47,040 with him and he's totally silent about 1062 00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:49,319 it in fact he doesn't even he's sort of 1063 00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,180 like he'll have a history and he'll 1064 00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:53,460 describe and I'll say in 1962 the U.S 1065 00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:56,220 was doing this and in early 1963 the US 1066 00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:58,200 was doing this and the president and I 1067 00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,640 was doing this and this and this and 1068 00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:01,800 then suddenly it's 1964 and I'm like 1069 00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,900 hello you know the president United 1070 00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:06,060 States was assassinated in one of the 1071 00:45:11,809 --> 00:45:09,720 more spectacular acts of of of of of of 1072 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:11,819 a century of the history of the country 1073 00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:15,180 and he's killed in Texas where Mr Bush 1074 00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,960 lived Mr Bush in 1963 was a candidate 1075 00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:21,359 for the second uh sorry for the first 1076 00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,980 time for the United States Senate 1077 00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:25,140 running on the opposite platform 1078 00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:28,500 critical of Kennedy and how could he not 1079 00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:30,780 even say something about that day and 1080 00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:33,240 that just seems so strange to me so I 1081 00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:35,220 began taking a close look and the result 1082 00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:37,859 in my book family of Secrets is five 1083 00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:40,440 chapters in a book about the Bush family 1084 00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:42,780 that goes veers off into the Kennedy 1085 00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:45,420 assassination and you know the book is 1086 00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:47,099 the you know I like I'd like people to 1087 00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:49,020 read it and and it there's a lot there 1088 00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:50,220 and we don't have time here to go into 1089 00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:52,260 all the detail but but essentially 1090 00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:55,560 that's where I began to focus on the 1091 00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,180 indications that he was doing 1092 00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,240 intelligence work in 1963 and that he 1093 00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:02,880 was connected to a an array of 1094 00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,700 individuals who were involved with the 1095 00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:08,160 CIA cover corporations and what have you 1096 00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:11,400 were in and out of Dallas at that time I 1097 00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:14,819 it was astonished to to find out that 1098 00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:19,380 George H.W bush was a lifelong friend uh 1099 00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:23,160 of a man by the name of George de Moran 1100 00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:27,599 Shield a Russian emigre from a wealthy 1101 00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,780 Russian family that had problems when 1102 00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:32,760 the Russian Revolution took place part 1103 00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:35,400 of a network of very wealthy Russian 1104 00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:38,099 emigres who were involved in the early 1105 00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:39,780 days of the American intelligence 1106 00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:41,880 apparatus also involved with the oil 1107 00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:44,579 industry and other such things and there 1108 00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:47,220 was George de morenshield and he was a I 1109 00:46:52,210 --> 00:46:50,460 found a friend of George H.W bush dating 1110 00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,220 all the way back to the 1111 00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:55,619 1930s when George H.W bush was a young 1112 00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:58,260 very young fellow and that George Des 1113 00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:00,599 Moines Sheldon also was a very very 1114 00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:03,780 close friend of the man who we are told 1115 00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:06,720 shot and killed John F Kennedy and that 1116 00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:09,300 was Lee Harvey Oswald and when I saw 1117 00:47:14,770 --> 00:47:12,720 that George H.W bush was that it is 1118 00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:14,780 documented that he was a long time 1119 00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:18,240 Associated friend of Lee Harvey Oswald's 1120 00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:20,940 best friend and that bush went on to 1121 00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:22,440 become the director of the CIA and he 1122 00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:23,940 has never uttered a word about any of 1123 00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:26,220 this I said well to begin with I mean 1124 00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:28,680 that's obviously a sort of malpractice 1125 00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:31,079 of a person in intelligence work because 1126 00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,700 what could be more important in 1127 00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,280 intelligence work than preventing the 1128 00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,480 president United States from being 1129 00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,640 assassinating assassinated or figuring 1130 00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:40,800 out who had done it and so the fact that 1131 00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:43,619 he was one step removed from the killer 1132 00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:45,660 of the president and never saw fit to 1133 00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:48,359 look into that or talk about that that 1134 00:47:51,609 --> 00:47:50,040 in itself of course is just an 1135 00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:51,619 incredible red flag 1136 00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:53,940 yeah the George de morning Shield 1137 00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:56,640 connection is it's pretty telling 1138 00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:58,500 definitely especially that it goes back 1139 00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:01,319 so many years before the assassination 1140 00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:03,000 going back to the 30s I mean they 1141 00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:05,640 clearly knew each other and there's also 1142 00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:08,880 strong indications that Poppy Bush was 1143 00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,980 actually in Texas at the time of the 1144 00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:13,140 assassination right that's right I 1145 00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,220 discovered a a little notice in a 1146 00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,720 newspaper which had clearly been 1147 00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:20,940 overlooked by everyone and when I found 1148 00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:23,640 that I said oh boy because it was a 1149 00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:27,780 meeting of a oil drillers Association it 1150 00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:30,359 was being held November 21 that's the 1151 00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:34,020 night before the uh John F Kennedy was 1152 00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:36,900 shot at 12 30 on November 22 in Dallas 1153 00:48:42,049 --> 00:48:38,819 this was the night before this was 1154 00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:42,059 November 21 it was a an evening meeting 1155 00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:46,800 and there was a George H.W bush speaking 1156 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:50,160 at this Gathering and so I was able to 1157 00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,200 at least establish that he was in Dallas 1158 00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:55,680 the night before we know that the next 1159 00:49:01,549 --> 00:48:58,260 day early in the afternoon he was in 1160 00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:01,559 another place near Dallas we do not know 1161 00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,380 where he was between at what point he 1162 00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,180 left Dallas so we know he was at Dallas 1163 00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:08,400 the night before we know he was near 1164 00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:12,540 Dallas as of 1 45 p.m we don't know 1165 00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:15,300 where he was the intervening hours we 1166 00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,119 know that he was meeting as I say uh 1167 00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:20,579 that week with a man who was in charge 1168 00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:24,420 of CIA coups overseas we know that he 1169 00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:26,040 was one step removed from Lee Harvey 1170 00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:29,160 Oswald we know that his Central running 1171 00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:32,040 mate for when he ran for U.S Senate the 1172 00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:33,780 man who would be the Republican nominee 1173 00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:36,800 for governor was a high-level Military 1174 00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,599 Intelligence person closely connected to 1175 00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:42,240 him closely connected into not only the 1176 00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:45,480 military but also into the Dallas Police 1177 00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,900 Department and in family of Secrets I go 1178 00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,880 into this in in great detail because 1179 00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:52,619 it's it's there's a lot there it's 1180 00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,079 pretty complicated it is but it's been 1181 00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,300 long suspected that the assassination 1182 00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:59,700 was a CIA operation so I wouldn't be 1183 00:50:03,049 --> 00:50:01,319 surprised if he was involved to some 1184 00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,059 degree well it's also important to 1185 00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:05,760 remember that that his family were very 1186 00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:08,220 very close personally with Alan Dulles 1187 00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:11,880 who was the CIA director who Kennedy had 1188 00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:15,300 deposed and removed and so Alan Dulles 1189 00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:17,579 and his network of top people were 1190 00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:20,819 removed from the CIA and they remained 1191 00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:24,180 at large in a sense because uh they left 1192 00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:27,720 at the end of 61 after the failed Bay of 1193 00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,660 Pigs and so forth they in 1962 1963 1194 00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:32,400 there were two years in which Alan 1195 00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:34,680 Dulles and all of his top uh coup 1196 00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:37,460 plotters were essentially not working 1197 00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:40,020 and again you've got as I say the Bush 1198 00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,880 family Prescott Bush and his son George 1199 00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:44,280 H.W very very closely tied into that 1200 00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:46,020 Network it's all documented in 1201 00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:47,819 tremendous detail and family of Secrets 1202 00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,099 and there's no question that there was a 1203 00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,280 real animus for Kennedy on the part of 1204 00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:55,980 this group and it's also very 1205 00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:57,960 interesting the details of Alan Dulles I 1206 00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:00,960 mean Alan Dulles visited Dallas shortly 1207 00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,480 before Kennedy was killed ostensibly 1208 00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:05,880 because he was writing a book about 1209 00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,460 intelligence and he was working on the 1210 00:51:14,450 --> 00:51:10,800 book with e Howard hunt another person 1211 00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,460 CIA person very closely tied into all 1212 00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,280 kinds of covert operations alleged to 1213 00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:19,859 have known some things to been somewhat 1214 00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:22,020 witting perhaps to what happened to John 1215 00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,900 F Kennedy so you see all these strands 1216 00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:26,880 and everybody knew each other and I'm 1217 00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,099 not suggesting that the CIA itself 1218 00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:30,960 officially or formally was involved 1219 00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:33,480 because I I highly doubt that I don't 1220 00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:36,059 think that you do those sorts of things 1221 00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:39,000 on a basis where they can ever be 1222 00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:42,119 formally connected to any kind of of a 1223 00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,579 government agency I'm sure there were 1224 00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,800 plenty of people in the CIA who asked 1225 00:51:50,089 --> 00:51:48,119 would not have been willing to do 1226 00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:50,099 something like that but I think that the 1227 00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:52,920 this group of people who were inside 1228 00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,800 were outside now and they're they're con 1229 00:51:59,470 --> 00:51:57,839 they're friends and colleagues who were 1230 00:52:03,950 --> 00:51:59,480 inside were 1231 00:52:05,809 --> 00:52:03,960 perhaps able to to help along something 1232 00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:05,819 that had a lot of different groups that 1233 00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:07,980 were interested in in seeing the the 1234 00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:10,619 president removed and then it goes again 1235 00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,180 into their ties to all these different 1236 00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:15,599 groups and segments of society and in 1237 00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:16,980 family of Secrets I have one whole 1238 00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:19,740 chapter where I just go into all all the 1239 00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:21,660 different people who were furious with 1240 00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:24,900 Kennedy and and would love nothing 1241 00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:27,720 better than to see him no longer in the 1242 00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:30,420 white house right and great points it 1243 00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:32,220 does seem like it's one of their tricks 1244 00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:35,099 to act as a type of covert parasite or 1245 00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,500 backseat driver in a sense inside some 1246 00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:39,599 of these larger organizations because 1247 00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:41,819 then they're harder to single out you 1248 00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,220 can never really properly pinpoint these 1249 00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:45,839 people moving within the larger Circle 1250 00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,420 so investigators get sloppy and say 1251 00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:51,359 things like oh it was the CIA okay well 1252 00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:53,220 that's not really detailed enough and 1253 00:52:57,609 --> 00:52:55,140 these string pullers know that it's 1254 00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:57,619 another level of security for them 1255 00:53:02,809 --> 00:53:00,540 that's actually a fundamental way you 1256 00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:02,819 just touched on a fundamental way that 1257 00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:05,700 these things operate because the key 1258 00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:08,220 word is secret so everything's secret 1259 00:53:13,849 --> 00:53:11,160 that means that even inside an 1260 00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:13,859 organization uh most everything is still 1261 00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,680 secret it's compartmentalized there are 1262 00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:19,020 layers of deception and obvious 1263 00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:21,660 education there are very few records 1264 00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:23,700 what records there are are often 1265 00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:26,280 themselves cover for what is really 1266 00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:28,920 going on and this goes back again to 1267 00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:31,920 George h.w's experience in the Navy in 1268 00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:33,660 World War II where he learned about this 1269 00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:36,660 that that's what they do and also what 1270 00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:39,420 they do is that they piggyback on other 1271 00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:42,780 things and so you don't you try to find 1272 00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,240 natural things so for example the the 1273 00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,240 alleged role of organized crime in the 1274 00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:50,640 Kennedy assassination well sure the the 1275 00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:53,760 role of anti-castrocubans or the far 1276 00:53:58,990 --> 00:53:55,859 right in America or the oil industry 1277 00:54:01,970 --> 00:53:59,000 well sure all of these segments 1278 00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:01,980 want you know they hated Kennedy and 1279 00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,140 they were only too delighted to see him 1280 00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:07,440 taken out and so uh did they have an 1281 00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,200 agenda could they have been involved in 1282 00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,200 in running perhaps multiple plots 1283 00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,500 absolutely and so the the goal in 1284 00:54:21,710 --> 00:54:18,960 intelligence work is deniability they 1285 00:54:24,730 --> 00:54:21,720 always use assets that they don't do it 1286 00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:24,740 themselves you almost never have actual 1287 00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:29,400 CIA payroll employees who are committing 1288 00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:31,640 murders or anything else it's always 1289 00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:36,359 many steps removed and and moreover they 1290 00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:37,740 look for 1291 00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:41,280 people who have are criminals they're 1292 00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:42,839 experienced criminals they're only happy 1293 00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:45,000 to do anything to get paid for it and 1294 00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,420 they themselves are easy to discredit if 1295 00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:50,640 and when they go public because they're 1296 00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:53,940 criminals and so this is the sort of 1297 00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,119 foolproof way that these things can be 1298 00:55:02,329 --> 00:54:59,520 done and so for those in the traditional 1299 00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:02,339 media and Academia and book publishing 1300 00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:04,380 and what have you who always put out 1301 00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:06,839 this line that someone would have talked 1302 00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:09,059 or it's ridiculous it's too complicated 1303 00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:10,319 it could never have been done they 1304 00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:12,780 understand almost nothing about how 1305 00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:14,760 these things are done and are done 1306 00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:18,720 constantly throughout the world I I also 1307 00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:20,460 before we go I wanted to ask you about 1308 00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:23,220 your website Who what why a little bit 1309 00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:25,380 tell us about that project and some of 1310 00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:27,900 the stories that you're covering there I 1311 00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:30,420 started who what why well I began 1312 00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:32,339 playing around with it right around the 1313 00:55:37,849 --> 00:55:34,440 time that I was starting to write family 1314 00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:37,859 of Secrets it already then even before I 1315 00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:39,960 was shut out with the book I already had 1316 00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,180 a sense that there were important 1317 00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:45,000 stories that could not be told in the 1318 00:55:50,089 --> 00:55:47,940 media and I experienced that in my years 1319 00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:50,099 of working for respected news 1320 00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,960 organizations in the United States and 1321 00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:54,720 around the world I could see that you 1322 00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:56,700 had to self-censor that you could not 1323 00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:58,920 get into these kinds of fascinating and 1324 00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:00,540 important topics that you and I been 1325 00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:02,940 discussing today and I saw that there 1326 00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:05,099 was a need to create a whole new media 1327 00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:07,559 that was not accountable to The 1328 00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:09,960 Establishment but I also saw that these 1329 00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:12,180 so-called alternative media wasn't the 1330 00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:14,460 solution I had in mind either because of 1331 00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,160 the propensity to preach to the 1332 00:56:23,809 --> 00:56:20,160 converted and to follow a particular 1333 00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:23,819 party or ideological line and I really 1334 00:56:29,410 --> 00:56:25,980 what I was seeking was to just whether 1335 00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:29,420 it was possible to create a more pure 1336 00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:31,740 journalism closer to the type of 1337 00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,020 Journalism that I was hoping to be part 1338 00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:37,440 of when I was studying journalism and 1339 00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:39,059 being told that this is what we ought to 1340 00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:41,460 Aspire toward I looked for a journalism 1341 00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:44,880 that was a combination of the best 1342 00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:46,980 qualities of the so-called mainstream 1343 00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:49,079 media and the alternative media meaning 1344 00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,160 as objective and as fair and as unbiased 1345 00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:55,440 as possible going in to look at things 1346 00:57:03,109 --> 00:56:59,160 and open to any discoveries or outcomes 1347 00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:03,119 regardless of whom it might offend but 1348 00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:06,180 at the same time being willing to draw 1349 00:57:14,089 --> 00:57:11,040 conclusions and to not draw have false 1350 00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:14,099 equivalencies between on the one hand 1351 00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:17,339 powerful Enterprises that are 1352 00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:21,119 fundamentally self-serving and smaller 1353 00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:25,160 entities that do have public spirited 1354 00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,960 missions that are Say Non profits and 1355 00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,700 things and I and we realize that we 1356 00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:31,859 don't want to create equivalencies that 1357 00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:34,200 when a giant Corporation says something 1358 00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,540 it may be true but we understand that 1359 00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,400 their job is to make money and to keep 1360 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,040 their keep their their positions and 1361 00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:44,400 that you know sometimes when a uh you 1362 00:57:47,569 --> 00:57:45,720 know an environmental organization 1363 00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:47,579 someone else says something it may be 1364 00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,099 untrue or exaggerated or serving their 1365 00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:52,260 own purposes but that the the missions 1366 00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,880 of those two entities are fundamentally 1367 00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:55,440 different and we ought to look at them 1368 00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:58,500 differently and and uh their uh their 1369 00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:00,540 biases and their agendas and so forth 1370 00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:04,020 when we talk to them and so uh we try to 1371 00:58:07,789 --> 00:58:05,520 Encompass all of these things and take 1372 00:58:10,849 --> 00:58:07,799 them all into consideration who what why 1373 00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:10,859 is a non-profit and unlike a lot of 1374 00:58:16,809 --> 00:58:13,500 non-profits we are not taking uh large 1375 00:58:21,069 --> 00:58:16,819 sums of money from Big establishment 1376 00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:21,079 foundations we also do not accept any 1377 00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,180 advertisements of any kind and so it is 1378 00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:26,160 very difficult to do what we do because 1379 00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,460 every penny money that we take in and 1380 00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:31,200 every penny that we pay to our writers 1381 00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,680 and our editors is donated by Ordinary 1382 00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:37,680 People by Americans and and peoples to a 1383 00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,960 minor extent around the world wherever 1384 00:58:44,569 --> 00:58:41,520 they may be uh there are people 1385 00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:44,579 elsewhere who care about America having 1386 00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,440 good journalism it affects them too but 1387 00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:49,140 in any case we have run it on a 1388 00:58:52,849 --> 00:58:50,760 shoestring we continue to run on a 1389 00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:52,859 shoestring we're hoping that the 1390 00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:55,260 donations from uh people who read our 1391 00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,059 site will continue to grow and people 1392 00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,520 will support us so that we can expand we 1393 00:59:02,990 --> 00:59:00,960 are expanding we'd like to expand much 1394 00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:03,000 more we would like to become a major 1395 00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:05,940 news organization a first or second read 1396 00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,280 if you will where people can go on a 1397 00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,559 daily or even hourly basis when 1398 00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:12,240 something happens in the world and they 1399 00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,559 say I want to know what's really going 1400 00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:16,079 on and I want to read quality work by 1401 00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:19,440 skeptical serious fair-minded diggers 1402 00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:21,660 that's that's that's what we seek to do 1403 00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:24,660 we think it makes us not wholly unique 1404 00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:27,260 but largely unique in the in the in the 1405 00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:30,180 totality of what we represent we also 1406 00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:32,819 like to combine that with liveliness of 1407 00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,119 fun a bit of a sense of humor edgy 1408 00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:38,160 headlines and pictures and we're going 1409 00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:40,380 to keep on experimenting and introducing 1410 00:59:45,049 --> 00:59:42,900 new Concepts all the time we welcome 1411 00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:45,059 members of the public to get involved 1412 00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:47,819 particularly those who have any kind of 1413 00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:50,220 professional skills at any organization 1414 00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,380 not just a news organization can use we 1415 00:59:57,410 --> 00:59:54,240 welcome people and everything from 1416 01:00:01,549 --> 00:59:57,420 social media to marketing to management 1417 01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:01,559 to technology we also welcome people who 1418 01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,020 have skills and research or reporting or 1419 01:00:08,569 --> 01:00:06,720 writing or editing or video all of these 1420 01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:08,579 kinds of things we're going to grow it 1421 01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,400 as a as a people-powered Enterprise and 1422 01:00:15,549 --> 01:00:13,680 we hope and expect to be around for a 1423 01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:15,559 very very long time 1424 01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:18,299 amen man Noble effort for sure it seems 1425 01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:20,099 like we have very similar philosophies 1426 01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:22,380 and the way to do these kind of things 1427 01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:24,780 and that about does it for us so 1428 01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,880 informative very insightful look at the 1429 01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:29,040 bush down Dynasty way more content than 1430 01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:30,780 we could cover in just one conversation 1431 01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:32,760 I really do appreciate your time are 1432 01:00:36,349 --> 01:00:34,980 there any new projects or websites to 1433 01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:36,359 point people towards if they want to 1434 01:00:41,329 --> 01:00:37,980 follow up on you a bit more 1435 01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:41,339 the elements are pretty simple who what 1436 01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:44,700 why dot org o-r-g meaning we are a 1437 01:00:51,770 --> 01:00:47,819 non-profit that's the website we have a 1438 01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:51,780 Twitter account at who what why we have 1439 01:00:58,010 --> 01:00:55,500 a Facebook page we're also on some other 1440 01:01:01,069 --> 01:00:58,020 social media platforms we love it when 1441 01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:01,079 people share our stories through any 1442 01:01:05,569 --> 01:01:03,780 means at all we people can donate by 1443 01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,579 going to the site they can volunteer by 1444 01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:06,960 going to the site they can write To Us 1445 01:01:12,109 --> 01:01:09,960 by going to the site I also I have that 1446 01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:12,119 book we just we talked about family of 1447 01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,099 Secrets which can be bought in 1448 01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:16,799 bookstores or online various forms 1449 01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:19,380 including hardback paperback ebook 1450 01:01:24,670 --> 01:01:22,559 audiobook and I've got my own Twitter 1451 01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:24,680 where I have my more personal 1452 01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:28,380 Reflections that's at real Russ Baker 1453 01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:32,160 Real Russ Baker and I am working on a 1454 01:01:36,530 --> 01:01:34,380 new book about the assassination of John 1455 01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:36,540 F Kennedy it's been in the works for a 1456 01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:38,579 number of years I'm hoping you won't be 1457 01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:41,400 too many more years before that is out 1458 01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:44,400 awesome well great Ross it's a pleasure 1459 01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:45,960 talking to you keep doing the important 1460 01:01:48,829 --> 01:01:47,460 stuff that other people won't and take 1461 01:01:50,089 --> 01:01:48,839 care of yourself out there it is a 1462 01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,099 dangerous game 1463 01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:52,079 thank you so much I really appreciate 1464 01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:53,520 your interest and your thoughtful 1465 01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:57,000 questions boom people there we go good 1466 01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,640 times another show in the bag I think I 1467 01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:01,440 incorrectly said at the beginning who 1468 01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:04,740 what why.com but it's actually dot org 1469 01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,660 if you haven't figured that out yet you 1470 01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:08,400 can also look at the links that come 1471 01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:10,200 with this show and they'll take you 1472 01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:13,020 right to it but good episode right Russ 1473 01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:15,660 does a lot of great stuff but this book 1474 01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,940 family of Secrets is definitely my Bush 1475 01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:20,640 family textbook now it's over two inches 1476 01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:23,579 thick very well sourced it's gonna give 1477 01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:25,020 you what you need when you start to 1478 01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,940 forget the details of what's so bad 1479 01:02:30,109 --> 01:02:29,039 about them if such a thing were even 1480 01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:30,119 possible 1481 01:02:35,089 --> 01:02:33,000 see we've talked about poppy Bush's 1482 01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:35,099 involvement with the CIA and heavily 1483 01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:37,260 speculated that it was an older and 1484 01:02:41,450 --> 01:02:39,180 deeper relationship than the one year 1485 01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:41,460 where he was director but it's always 1486 01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,260 good to go back and look at the evidence 1487 01:02:47,690 --> 01:02:46,079 and the paper trail that verifies it we 1488 01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:47,700 don't want to be hyperbolic we don't 1489 01:02:51,410 --> 01:02:49,559 want to be overly speculative because 1490 01:02:53,809 --> 01:02:51,420 these are the things that make us look 1491 01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:53,819 crazy and people don't listen so I 1492 01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:55,799 thought this was a return to just what 1493 01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:58,140 we needed and plus a guest who knows 1494 01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:00,180 what he wrote and can have an educated 1495 01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:03,059 conversation about it is key this is 1496 01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:04,980 where I tried to focus my next few 1497 01:03:10,490 --> 01:03:08,400 guests after a few speculative UFO and 1498 01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:10,500 life after death communication shows 1499 01:03:15,529 --> 01:03:12,900 they have a place but I'd rather them be 1500 01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:15,539 a once in a while type of thing rather 1501 01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,720 than a type of topic an approach that 1502 01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,880 defines us I'd much rather have 1503 01:03:24,529 --> 01:03:22,559 something like Today's Show be the 1504 01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,539 standard but I think this was a good 1505 01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:26,880 time breaking down just how an elite 1506 01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:29,400 family like the bushes operates and I'm 1507 01:03:33,529 --> 01:03:30,900 sure there's obvious obviously a lot 1508 01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,539 more and a lot deeper we could go and we 1509 01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:35,520 will since this obviously isn't the last 1510 01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:37,740 time the Bush family is going to come up 1511 01:03:42,650 --> 01:03:40,619 but it does lay a nice base so do check 1512 01:03:45,529 --> 01:03:42,660 out who what why dot org for Russ's 1513 01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:45,539 further geopolitical analysis hit him up 1514 01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:47,160 on Twitter let them know you like the 1515 01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:49,500 show we want the good guests to know 1516 01:03:54,289 --> 01:03:51,720 they're not speaking into a vacuum we do 1517 01:03:56,690 --> 01:03:54,299 have people listening out there right I 1518 01:03:58,910 --> 01:03:56,700 think so and speaking of listeners I do 1519 01:04:01,970 --> 01:03:58,920 appreciate your time and I try to be a 1520 01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:01,980 podcast that doesn't waste it some shows 1521 01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:04,440 are heavily speculation but I still want 1522 01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:06,180 to go there I've heard a few people 1523 01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:09,119 talking on various podcasts lately and 1524 01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:11,400 they mock conspiracy theorists and say 1525 01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,960 that they want their standard to be 1526 01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:14,880 things that we know to be absolutely 1527 01:04:19,490 --> 01:04:17,880 true and that's a ridiculous Catch-22 1528 01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,500 standard because they they cite things 1529 01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:21,359 like the Gulf of Tonkin incident or 1530 01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:24,180 operation Northwoods and yeah those are 1531 01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:26,280 great pieces of evidence that there's a 1532 01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:28,500 Hidden Hand manipulating events but 1533 01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:30,359 these things are so old and the only 1534 01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,760 reason that you feel comfortable talking 1535 01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:34,079 about them is because they've been 1536 01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:37,740 verified by the official source so 1537 01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:40,319 where does that leave a person like this 1538 01:04:43,150 --> 01:04:41,880 on something like 911 you're just gonna 1539 01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:43,160 wait until 1540 01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:46,559 2045 where the government finally comes 1541 01:04:51,529 --> 01:04:49,380 out and says yeah we did that because 1542 01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:51,539 that day might come when enough time 1543 01:04:56,690 --> 01:04:54,900 goes by after a few Generations it's all 1544 01:04:59,569 --> 01:04:56,700 new people and they don't really feel 1545 01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,579 responsible for the crimes of old and 1546 01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,440 sometimes they come out but if your 1547 01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:03,839 standard is that things need to be 1548 01:05:08,510 --> 01:05:06,839 verified by official mainstream sources 1549 01:05:10,910 --> 01:05:08,520 that are controlled by the very people 1550 01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:10,920 who are perpetrating these crimes then 1551 01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,799 you're caught in a place where you're 1552 01:05:19,069 --> 01:05:15,839 never really gonna understand what's 1553 01:05:21,049 --> 01:05:19,079 going on so you do need to speculate you 1554 01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:21,059 do need to look at things like operation 1555 01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:23,039 Northwoods and the Gulf of Tonkin 1556 01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:24,599 incident and say yeah these are the 1557 01:05:30,890 --> 01:05:26,760 things we can verify and these are the 1558 01:05:32,210 --> 01:05:30,900 things that allow me to realize 911 fits 1559 01:05:34,190 --> 01:05:32,220 a certain template that had been 1560 01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,200 suggested before and carried out before 1561 01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:37,200 that's its usefulness not to say these 1562 01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:40,260 are real conspiracies in 911 is just 1563 01:05:44,089 --> 01:05:42,780 wild speculation you can't wait to 1564 01:05:45,770 --> 01:05:44,099 accept these things until they've been 1565 01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,780 proven in a court of law because a lot 1566 01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:47,280 of times that isn't going to happen it's 1567 01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:48,119 about 1568 01:05:54,529 --> 01:05:52,559 recognizing patterns identifying agendas 1569 01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:54,539 and looking at events and saying does 1570 01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:57,119 this fit does this further their goals 1571 01:06:00,890 --> 01:05:59,579 if it does you can probably assume it 1572 01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,900 wasn't random 1573 01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:02,640 you should be able to take an event and 1574 01:06:06,349 --> 01:06:04,319 say that even though you can't fully 1575 01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:06,359 verify it based on things in the past 1576 01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,520 and the agenda going forward 1577 01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,559 something's fishy here you know 1578 01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:13,440 something just doesn't smell right and I 1579 01:06:17,870 --> 01:06:15,480 know that sometimes the speculation goes 1580 01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:17,880 too far I guess that's my point and 1581 01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:19,319 that's what a show like this does it 1582 01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:21,780 breathes it it goes out maybe a little 1583 01:06:26,329 --> 01:06:24,359 too far and then it pulls back but we 1584 01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:26,339 should take what we know and extrapolate 1585 01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:28,680 further on it not just stop there and 1586 01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:31,380 think that oh that must be all there is 1587 01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:33,539 to know Edward Snowden told us all about 1588 01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:35,940 the surveillance problems with the NSA 1589 01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:38,520 and they tell me that on the news and I 1590 01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:40,020 think he's a legitimate whistleblower 1591 01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:42,180 and that's probably the extent of these 1592 01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:43,260 programs 1593 01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:45,960 or hey I can study history and recognize 1594 01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:48,180 half a dozen false Flags but I'm sure 1595 01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,240 those don't happen anymore like that's a 1596 01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:54,240 really bad approach to things even if 1597 01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,460 you think that we sometimes take it to 1598 01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,280 extremes that seem ridiculous you gotta 1599 01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,960 question everything 1600 01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:02,880 because personally I say [\h__\h] them I'd 1601 01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,880 rather go too far than not far enough 1602 01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,680 and what's with these vague statements 1603 01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:09,119 you're thinking Carl would just tell us 1604 01:07:12,589 --> 01:07:10,440 what you're saying what are you 1605 01:07:14,329 --> 01:07:12,599 referring to well I'm referring to a lot 1606 01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,339 of things I'm referring to recent events 1607 01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:16,799 in Orlando I'm referring to last week's 1608 01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:18,900 show and I'm just talking about a 1609 01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,140 general approach I like to apply to all 1610 01:07:26,569 --> 01:07:24,480 of these things that's all I'm rambling 1611 01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:26,579 but the next show is going to be really 1612 01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:28,140 interesting in this context I already 1613 01:07:32,329 --> 01:07:30,180 recorded it and it goes deeper into the 1614 01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:32,339 idea of weaponized medicine and vaccines 1615 01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:34,500 than we ever have before and this author 1616 01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:37,380 also had quite a lot of documentation 1617 01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,020 and research showing that it goes a lot 1618 01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:42,240 further than just a tainted polio 1619 01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:44,700 vaccine in the 50s I think it's going to 1620 01:07:48,529 --> 01:07:46,440 be one of those episodes that lights a 1621 01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:48,539 lot of people up some shows are just 1622 01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:51,359 primed for a big response good or bad I 1623 01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:53,400 just know today's episode probably 1624 01:07:57,289 --> 01:07:55,260 didn't surprise a lot of people but it's 1625 01:07:59,930 --> 01:07:57,299 good to have some examples and concrete 1626 01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,940 details about this kind of corruption so 1627 01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,440 when someone asks you at Thanksgiving 1628 01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:03,599 dinner well what is it exactly about the 1629 01:08:07,490 --> 01:08:05,460 bushes that you hate so much now you 1630 01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:07,500 have a good amount of ammunition and you 1631 01:08:12,349 --> 01:08:10,380 don't even have to invoke 911 it's good 1632 01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:12,359 to be educated and to be able to back up 1633 01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:15,000 your points and thanks to guys like Russ 1634 01:08:19,309 --> 01:08:17,460 doing the hard work to put it all 1635 01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:19,319 together all we have to do is 1636 01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:21,480 familiarize ourselves with it 1637 01:08:25,249 --> 01:08:23,219 but if you like the first hour you know 1638 01:08:27,289 --> 01:08:25,259 how to get more just sign up for THC 1639 01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,299 Plus for five bucks a month you're 1640 01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:29,520 getting five two hour shows I know that 1641 01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:31,859 everyone is doing this goddamn model now 1642 01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:34,380 but you just gotta go at the shows that 1643 01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:36,600 you think do the best job and I hope I'm 1644 01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:37,620 one of them 1645 01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:40,319 and the second hour of today's show we 1646 01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,779 got into how Richard Nixon was a bush 1647 01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:45,600 Dynasty puppet details about how poppy 1648 01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:47,819 Bush groomed and nurtured people within 1649 01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:50,159 his oil drilling company the rise of 1650 01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:52,140 George W bush how he used family 1651 01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:53,759 connections to climb the political 1652 01:08:58,130 --> 01:08:55,799 ladder despite the skeletons in his 1653 01:09:00,050 --> 01:08:58,140 closet and the lack of qualifications to 1654 01:09:01,849 --> 01:09:00,060 run the country how the bushes are 1655 01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:01,859 connected to the Saudi royal family in 1656 01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:03,239 the Middle East and how that might 1657 01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,120 connect to Al Qaeda and 911 things we're 1658 01:09:10,130 --> 01:09:08,400 still dealing with today and honestly 1659 01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:10,140 just a lot more ammunition for that 1660 01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:11,940 inevitably awkward holiday family 1661 01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:13,080 argument 1662 01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:15,060 you're gonna have it you might as well 1663 01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:17,819 win but that's about it for me keep your 1664 01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:19,500 head up in these troubled times and I'll 1665 01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,140 see you soon your move Bush Dynasty and 1666 01:09:25,610 --> 01:09:23,759 the pathetic puppets drunk on the 1667 01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:25,620 illusion of power caught in their wicked 1668 01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:26,520 web 1669 01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:29,400 your [\h__\h] move 1670 01:09:39,410 --> 01:09:34,980 they built a little Empire out of some 1671 01:09:43,870 --> 01:09:39,420 crazy garbage called the blood of the 1672 01:09:48,649 --> 01:09:43,880 exploited working class 1673 01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:48,659 but they've overcome their shyness now 1674 01:09:58,810 --> 01:09:52,799 we're calling them your highness and the 1675 01:10:07,930 --> 01:10:02,510 they destroyed the bonds of friendship 1676 01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:07,940 and respect between the only people left 1677 01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:13,199 who'd even look them in the eyes 1678 01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:18,420 now they laugh and make a fortune of the 1679 01:10:27,610 --> 01:10:22,199 same ones that they tortured and the 1680 01:10:31,630 --> 01:10:27,620 world screams save me THC 1681 01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:31,640 let's look for Jesus 1682 01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:35,120 some will say 1683 01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:38,600 but Mr Jesus 1684 01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:42,320 is so far away 1685 01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:47,120 now you're the only one who 1686 01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:03,590 they built a little Empire out of some 1687 01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:07,980 crazy garbage called the blood of the 1688 01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:12,560 exploited working class us 1689 01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:17,400 but they've overcome their shyness now 1690 01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:21,360 we're calling them your highness and the 1691 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:37,250 save me THC 1692 01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:39,050 hey guys thanks for listening to the 1693 01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:40,739 first hour of the higher side chats 1694 01:11:44,990 --> 01:11:43,140 podcast with me Greg carlwood if you 1695 01:11:47,209 --> 01:11:45,000 don't know there is a second hour to all 1696 01:11:49,070 --> 01:11:47,219 the episodes we do around here generally 1697 01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,080 we're able to get a lot deeper into the 1698 01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:50,880 topics and ideas that a guest is about 1699 01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,100 so if you enjoyed what you've heard from 1700 01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:55,920 THC for free consider signing up at the 1701 01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:58,140 higher sidechatsplus.com to get the 1702 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sidechatsteam gmail.com I also 1784 01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:47,520 wanted to plug the higher side 1785 01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:48,900 newsletter I'm going to be putting out 1786 01:14:53,209 --> 01:14:50,820 totally free for anyone who wants to 1787 01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:53,219 sign up at the main internet website for 1788 01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,920 the show the higher sidechats.com you 1789 01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,600 can also get on that email list through 1790 01:15:01,550 --> 01:14:59,280 the higher side chat's Facebook page 1791 01:15:03,050 --> 01:15:01,560 there's a button there as well but the 1792 01:15:05,390 --> 01:15:03,060 reason I'm doing this is because I get 1793 01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,400 tons and tons of emails after a show 1794 01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,440 goes up asking me about how I feel about 1795 01:15:11,209 --> 01:15:09,600 a particular guest or topic and the wrap 1796 01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:11,219 up isn't always the best place to do 1797 01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:12,780 that especially if I have anything 1798 01:15:16,729 --> 01:15:15,060 negative to say sometimes the dust needs 1799 01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,739 to settle sometimes I need to hear 1800 01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:19,440 feedback from you guys first there are a 1801 01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,880 lot of factors but I usually have 1802 01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:22,560 something to communicate to you and I 1803 01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:24,840 just don't get to do it so on the first 1804 01:15:28,189 --> 01:15:26,520 of the month I plan to send out a little 1805 01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:28,199 newsletter with my thoughts about the 1806 01:15:32,330 --> 01:15:30,420 five shows the previous month and talk 1807 01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,340 to you about anything else that's on my 1808 01:15:36,350 --> 01:15:34,560 mind or that's going on and what's 1809 01:15:38,030 --> 01:15:36,360 probably most enticing is that I'm going 1810 01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:38,040 to give you some in insight into at 1811 01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:39,900 least one guest I have coming up in the 1812 01:15:44,570 --> 01:15:41,880 month which people have been begging for 1813 01:15:46,130 --> 01:15:44,580 some posted schedule for a long time I 1814 01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:46,140 personally think I'd like the surprise 1815 01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:47,640 but sign up for the higher side 1816 01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,800 newsletter it's free it comes out on the 1817 01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,120 first of the month and I won't waste 1818 01:15:55,310 --> 01:15:53,280 your time with any other emails 1819 01:15:57,290 --> 01:15:55,320 and that's it I appreciate you listening 1820 01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:57,300 I try to give alternative ideas and 1821 01:16:01,310 --> 01:15:59,219 guests a fair Shake on a high quality 1822 01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,320 podcast expose some deep level 1823 01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:03,840 conspiracies without the yelling and I 1824 01:16:07,729 --> 01:16:05,580 hope to offer some inspiration that even 1825 01:16:09,290 --> 01:16:07,739 though the system relentlessly suggests 1826 01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:09,300 you should follow their blueprint to 1827 01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:11,820 mediocrity you can do your own thing and 1828 01:16:16,189 --> 01:16:14,040 live a much happier life despite all the